Reblogged from hollysocks July 23, 2014 by clownyprincess

thebreilly:

Harley Quinn by Julian Lopez

thebreilly:

Harley Quinn by Julian Lopez


Reblogged from hollysocks July 18, 2014 by clownyprincess

it drove me crazy

it drove me crazy

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Reblogged from enasnivolz July 3, 2014 by clownyprincess

themadcapmathematician:

Friendly reminder that Harley was originally conceived as a female henchman to jump out of a cake because the joker doing it “would look too weird.” They ended up developing her into an awesome character with fascinating backstory, motivation, and relationship to one of the most iconic villains ever created, and had the Joker jump out of the cake anyway. I mention this because Harley is now often thought of as merely eye candy, but anyone who’s seen her in her properly written form knows better.

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March 25, 2014 by clownyprincess

Yale Stewart.

Yale Stewart.


Reblogged from wingedtyger January 24, 2014 by clownyprincess

wingedtyger:

clownyprincess:

wingedtyger:

clownyprincess:

remember when there were actual panels of Poison Ivy punching and beating Harley (and remember in their dynamic Harley is really submissive to Ivy) and verbally abusing her casually, all the time, and scans daily said it wasn’t abuse, just playful squabbling hahaHAHAHAhaha

Ivy totally should be as manipulative and self-centered as the Joker.

God I really need to get off my ass and do that fanart I wanted to do of a bunch of the Batman characters. I have headcanons like whoa.

She IS totally as manipulative and self-centered as the Joker!

AND it is true, as it is with the Joker, that Harley provokes genuine emotions of love and caring in her as well.

And finally it is true that this is fiction, they are villains, it doesn’t have to be perfect or ideal so long as it is depicted with awareness and complexity.

I am so grossed out by the attitude of these people that Harley has to be ‘rescued’ as well. I saw a couple of people swear up and down at scans daily that there was ‘no way’ Harley slept her way to her grades… they could not handle the idea she was ever anything but a passive, helpless victim at all times… 

Oh god. My headcanon is that Harley can be totally manipulative when she wants to be. And she’s just really good at understanding people, so she’s a GREAT shrink. It’s just not as important to her as pleasing the people she loves.

I really wish the canon versions of characters were as good as the fanfic ones. (Nu52, why do you exist and why do you suck so much???)

Harley IS totally manipulative. It is shown in canon, when they’re doing her right!


Reblogged from wingedtyger January 24, 2014 by clownyprincess

wingedtyger:

clownyprincess:

remember when there were actual panels of Poison Ivy punching and beating Harley (and remember in their dynamic Harley is really submissive to Ivy) and verbally abusing her casually, all the time, and scans daily said it wasn’t abuse, just playful squabbling hahaHAHAHAhaha

Ivy totally should be as manipulative and self-centered as the Joker.

God I really need to get off my ass and do that fanart I wanted to do of a bunch of the Batman characters. I have headcanons like whoa.

She IS totally as manipulative and self-centered as the Joker!

AND it is true, as it is with the Joker, that Harley provokes genuine emotions of love and caring in her as well.

And finally it is true that this is fiction, they are villains, it doesn’t have to be perfect or ideal so long as it is depicted with awareness and complexity.

I am so grossed out by the attitude of these people that Harley has to be ‘rescued’ as well. I saw a couple of people swear up and down at scans daily that there was ‘no way’ Harley slept her way to her grades… they could not handle the idea she was ever anything but a passive, helpless victim at all times… 


January 24, 2014 by clownyprincess

halfmeasured replied to your post: “remember when there were actual panels of Poison Ivy punching and…”:
yah and even beyond how ivy is physically towards her she’s also very controlling too. harley’s two major relationships are abusive and ppl can’t really accept that the f/f one is.

people absolutely refuse to acknowledge how the f/f one is.

admittedly some JxH shippers have argued that ship isn’t abusive either, but it’s really a minority to the folks who seriously truly believe HxI is this idyllic utopian rship of pure fluffy equal love that will ~*save*~ Harley.

I’m not down with either: both rships are abusive, and… I love them!


January 24, 2014 by clownyprincess

remember when there were actual panels of Poison Ivy punching and beating Harley (and remember in their dynamic Harley is really submissive to Ivy) and verbally abusing her casually, all the time, and scans daily said it wasn’t abuse, just playful squabbling hahaHAHAHAhaha


January 23, 2014 by clownyprincess

jesus, idk what to tell you, if you don’t know already by now I am a diehard JokerxHarley shipper, then pull your heads out of your arses cos that’s the only way I can figure you missed the memo.

it doesn’t make me less of a feminist, any less of a queer woman, any less of a person with a history of having been abused and my PERSONAL PREFERENCE for one ship over another doesn’t mean I can’t perceive/consider the possible avenues of exploration in the other ship.  SPOILER ALERT: I can, I have and I still prefer JokerHarley.

and MOST OF ALL IT DOESN’T MAKE ME ANY LESS THE LEADING FAN AUTHORITY ON ALL THINGS HARLEY QUINN.

Suck it up.


January 23, 2014 by clownyprincess

the thing is, I can’t even summon up much emotion about all this. I’ve been resigned to JxH being dead and, well, Harley herself being dead for quite a long time now.

A while back, it all really affected me. zhinxy can attest, we would be chatting and I would be SOBBING, literally bawling my eyes out, choking, crying, absolutely distraught about the character fuckups and the lack of JxH or whatever. Back when DC could play with my heart like a harp from hell! I was a wreck, every damn month. 

But not anymore. I’m not gonna give that much emotion to something that is going to, continually and forever, just spit it back in my face. I realised as they persisted with New 52 that the golden age of DC was done and dusted and the only thing to do was emotionally distance myself. I’ve resigned myself to accepting they will either change things all up again in a few years and go back to form/reintroduce it all for a new gen, or that at the very least I have everything since 1992 to pre-52 to look back on, remember and treasure forever. I will always be a fan of that stuff! (except, you know, the stuff that sucks) and they can never ever take all that way away from me. It exists. It is real. It set the standard. And for thousands of fans it will always be the epitome of what makes these characters great. We have it forever. 

And I will never forget how they listened to our letter writing campaign and gave us something REALLY good before they changed it all up (changed it - but can never truly erase it). That wouldn’t work anymore, they are too concerned with their young straight male demographic and a glib, superficial sort of occasional stab at ‘inclusivity’, but it DID. AND WE DID THAT. Us, the fans. 

They will never take away all the work I did (and I still have it all though some of it isn’t online rn - but will be again!) or what I contributed to this fandom as a direct result of the characters and relationships they gave us and I will always have that.

And you know, they will keep getting my money! I won’t stop til I have all the merch and yes, even all the comics that HQ appears in. That’s the kind of fan I am. Judge me if you like, but I have already accepted the old days are done, new 52 is here to stay and I am a fan of HARLEY and nothing will stop me from indulging in the paraphernalia around her that makes me feel good and satisifes my need to be her (always) #1 fan. 

But yeah. I’m bummed, but I refuse to give new 52 too much of my emotional energy. They don’t deserve it!! 


Reblogged from enasnivolz January 23, 2014 by clownyprincess

enasnivolz:

saltheria:

[resigned sigh in direction of harley’s tag]

#there are two things I’m baffled about
#first being that H/I sharing a bed is not groundbreaking news
#second being that they’re both so painfully OOC it kinda hurts to see
#but now the fandom won’t shut up about how it’s wonderful that ‘it’s canon and happy and healthy whee’

Yessss. I just. Harley and Ivy have shared a bed before. Harley and Ivy’s relationship is not healthy. That is not how Poison Ivy acts at all. That is not how Harley Quinn acts. She didn’t even call her Red? 
Everyone is just throwing a god damn party because they have Harley and Ivy written like a bad “besties” sitcom. I get that its exciting to see your pairing together, but how can you be excited over something so painfully out of character being actual canon? If you want this sort of thing in fan fiction and fanart then fine, okay. But now this is completely messing with years and years of backstory and original canon.

and, in fact, this is EXACTLY what they did with Harley’s FIRST solo series way back in the early 00s. Like, exactly! They played Harley & Ivy together exactly the same way and it was awkward and weird and OOC.
I mean, I don’t know these characters in the new 52 but back then having Ivy be so soft and passive and mild and etc was fuckn WEIRD and out of nowhere.
I don’t know what she’s like in new 52, probably they’ve bastardised her like they have done everyone and because no female villain is ever permitted to just be truly evil like the boys, but it’s not a change I’d want to see.

This bullshit idea that a relationship with Ivy will ‘rescue’ Harley from the Joker when canonically Ivy has been really shitty to Harley just shows me the cognitive dissonance involved in the approach to the trio by everyone. It’s all, anyone but the Joker is automatically going to be ‘better’, even if we have to twist them into unrecognisable shadows of themselves.
Not to mention the breathtaking inability to understand the dynamics at work.

I’m not interested in fan service when it can’t even be fucked to stay true to character type.

On a related note, I really have to get jokerxharley.com back online :/


January 23, 2014 by clownyprincess

but seriously it’s like, you know those fanfic writers who write really good fanfic and then they start creating all these OCs and developing their own massive alternate universe fanons and gradually just abandon what they used to write and commit all their time to expanding their own ‘Verse and constructing these elaborate storyarcs with these unrecognisable characters which would be fine if it were all original fic but they still shill it as fanfic and it’s like dudes just go back to the canon, you know, the reason we read your shit to begin with. THAT’S New 52.


January 23, 2014 by clownyprincess

I basically think of New 52 as an AU fanfic that got way out of control.


January 23, 2014 by clownyprincess

the thing I hate most about them getting the H & I thing going is that whilst mine and others’ objections are based in the fact that the ONE TRUE SHIP is Joker and Harley & they’ve been doing a shit job with them for too long a time, is that in context with a homophobic society, the objections are inherently homophobic* - (remember I am queer and most often going out with women) - like there’s no getting around we’re stating a preference for a heterosexual relationship over a lesbian one and, due to the reality that the world is deeply homophobic with the well-established and overused trope of lesbian women ultimately choosing men reflecting this, it has inextricable implications to that. BUT if there’s one thing DC DOES need, it’s more queerness. It’s another reason them using existing characters who have instrinsic and powerful connections to other existing characters (upon which whole fandoms have been born lined their pockets) to fill queer quota cred is lazy and sleazy and irresponsible and a dump on the chest of all fans. 

*if you don’t understand why this is, don’t ask. I’m not in the mood to explain. Just cram it. Do some research or something.


Reblogged from ittygittydiddynator January 23, 2014 by clownyprincess

ittygittydiddynator:

tallestsilver:

enasnivolz:

saltheria:

enasnivolz:

sparrow626:

tmntblog:

Harley Quinn #2

I am honestly not feeling this at all. I do like that the outfit for Harls is getting slightly better with each issue but the whole interaction with Harley and Ivy seems so….forced. So “hurr durr lesbian jokes”. Look, we know what has been implied about their relationship without forcing beaver jokes down our throats.

I just… from what I’ve seen its all so FORCED and OUT OF CHARACTER.

Writing for Harley in general seems forced. Haven’t seen enough of this issue to speak on how Harley/Ivy interactions were handled, but… yeah, it’s not exactly promising. In fact, I’m just terribly confused as to how they have even met in New52?There’s been no hint of her friendship with Ivy in new universe prior to this - none. No clarification on what remained canon and what didn’t, no flashbacks, not even a passing thought along the lines of ‘wonder how Red’s doing’ or something. Through all two years of Suicide Squad and rehashed origin that dropped Harl into chemicals as a cheap copout to explain her insanity. Not a word. Do we assume they’re still BFFs? Like, I appreciate the art, and the writers’ efforts to do something with her character after it’s been handled… poorly, to say the least, for way too long. And there’s not much that can be done about all that. But I’m not impressed. 

That is an EXCELLENT point. How the hell do they even know each other here?? Pre New 52 its canon that they met after Joker launched Harley off in the rocket and she crashed in Robinson Park. As far as we’re concerned with this reboot, Joker “made” harley and left her to wander Gotham. I dunno maybe there will be a flashback soon or something. But honestly… I just don’t care enough.

Sometimes writers want to suggest that Dr. Quinzel dabbled in treating Poison Ivy at Arkham and that’s how they had a *quasi* familiarity, which can be sort of meh, but….. without much context in the panel (although do we really need it) this seems really forced. They’re much more playful.

Zack, are you still reading this one? If so, I’d be down with hearing your thoughts on this.

VOMITSICK OF EVERYTHING THEY ARE DOING WITH HARLEY QUINN EVEERRRRRRRDC JUST FUCKING STOP STOP FUCKING STOPALSO WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE WRITING HARLEY IN A WAY THAT ISN’T SO RIDICULOUSLY CONTRIVED. BUT FOR REAL, it’s like the same thing that plagues the Joker plagues Harley: people who just have no idea how to write them and try way too hard.I’ve honestly never cared for H&I as a ship and based on another scan I saw earlier, that’s where they’re going with this. Which just seems like a lay way to fill their queer representation quote, imo. Like, DC needs more queer representation, desperately, but I can never be on board with this. That’s redundant though, I’m not on board with anything they’ve been doing with Harley in a long time so *shrug*New 52 really just needs to be locked in a windowless room and left alone to implode.

ittygittydiddynator:

tallestsilver:

enasnivolz:

saltheria:

enasnivolz:

sparrow626:

tmntblog:

Harley Quinn #2

I am honestly not feeling this at all. I do like that the outfit for Harls is getting slightly better with each issue but the whole interaction with Harley and Ivy seems so….forced. So “hurr durr lesbian jokes”. Look, we know what has been implied about their relationship without forcing beaver jokes down our throats.

I just… from what I’ve seen its all so FORCED and OUT OF CHARACTER.

Writing for Harley in general seems forced. 
Haven’t seen enough of this issue to speak on how Harley/Ivy interactions were handled, but… yeah, it’s not exactly promising.
In fact, I’m just terribly confused as to how they have even met in New52?
There’s been no hint of her friendship with Ivy in new universe prior to this - none. No clarification on what remained canon and what didn’t, no flashbacks, not even a passing thought along the lines of ‘wonder how Red’s doing’ or something. Through all two years of Suicide Squad and rehashed origin that dropped Harl into chemicals as a cheap copout to explain her insanity. Not a word. Do we assume they’re still BFFs? 
Like, I appreciate the art, and the writers’ efforts to do something with her character after it’s been handled… poorly, to say the least, for way too long. And there’s not much that can be done about all that. But I’m not impressed. 

That is an EXCELLENT point. How the hell do they even know each other here?? Pre New 52 its canon that they met after Joker launched Harley off in the rocket and she crashed in Robinson Park. 
As far as we’re concerned with this reboot, Joker “made” harley and left her to wander Gotham. I dunno maybe there will be a flashback soon or something. But honestly… I just don’t care enough.

Sometimes writers want to suggest that Dr. Quinzel dabbled in treating Poison Ivy at Arkham and that’s how they had a *quasi* familiarity, which can be sort of meh, but….. without much context in the panel (although do we really need it) this seems really forced. They’re much more playful.

Zack, are you still reading this one? If so, I’d be down with hearing your thoughts on this.

VOMIT

SICK OF EVERYTHING THEY ARE DOING WITH HARLEY QUINN EVEERRRRRRR

DC JUST FUCKING STOP STOP FUCKING STOP

ALSO WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE WRITING HARLEY IN A WAY THAT ISN’T SO RIDICULOUSLY CONTRIVED.

BUT FOR REAL, it’s like the same thing that plagues the Joker plagues Harley: people who just have no idea how to write them and try way too hard.

I’ve honestly never cared for H&I as a ship and based on another scan I saw earlier, that’s where they’re going with this. Which just seems like a lay way to fill their queer representation quote, imo. Like, DC needs more queer representation, desperately, but I can never be on board with this. That’s redundant though, I’m not on board with anything they’ve been doing with Harley in a long time so *shrug*

New 52 really just needs to be locked in a windowless room and left alone to implode.

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